He went to Crete to fight because his country did not like him so well
any more. His soldiers knew he was the one general that no one would
fight! When he came back, he stirred up the soldiers a bit to get back
at the people. I do not think he should of done that because trouble may
arise from it. He may start a civil war! That would not be good for Rome.
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Showing posts with label Plutarch. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Plutarch. Show all posts
Tuesday, May 7, 2013
Philopoemen
Philopoemen was distinguished in all the theaters of Greece, but not
without the secret ill-will of Titus Flamininus, a Roman consul. Titus
made peace with Nabis, and Nabis was killed by the Aetolians. Things
being in confusion in Sparta, Philopeomen laid hold of this, and coming
upon them with an army, prevailed with some by persuasion, with others
by fear, til he brought the whole city over to the Achaeans. As it was
no small matter for Sparta to become a member of Achaea, this was met by
infinite praise by the Achaeans. Accordingly, Sparta itself, who hoped
the Achaeans would defend their freedom, sent a present to Philopeomen,
and no man wanted to give it to him, but said: 'not I, but you', til
they laid the office at last on Timolaus, with whom Philopeomen had
lodged at Sparta. Timolaus went, but could not give it, the same thing
happening the 2nd time. But the 3rd time, with much ado, and faltering
in his words, he acquainted Philopeomen with the good-will of the city
of Sparta to him. Philopeomen listened obligingly and gladly; and then
went himself to Sparta, where he advised them, not to bribe good men and
their friends, of whose virtue they might be sure, but to buy of and
silence ill citizens, who disquieted the city with bad speeches.
The men did not want to give Philopeomen the gift because of his honesty, which goes to show it was real, not faked.
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The men did not want to give Philopeomen the gift because of his honesty, which goes to show it was real, not faked.
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Philopoemen
Philopoemen when he was general himself, upon some new misdemeanor of
the Lacedaemonians, he brought back those who had been banished, put, as
Polybius writes eighty, according to Aristocrates, 350, Spartans to
death, razed the walls, took away a good part of their territory and
transferred it to the Megalopolitans, forced out of the country and
carried into Achaea all who had been made citizens of Sparta by tyrants,
except 3 thousand who would not submit to banishment. These he sold for
slaves, and with the money, as if to exult over them, built a colonnade
at Megalopolis. He is different now, and seems to have changed and
become bad, not good! He is trying to get all credit for himself,
and is being mean.
I do not think Philopoemen really is putting his country first. He is trying to win honor for himself, not his country! He is off track.
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I do not think Philopoemen really is putting his country first. He is trying to win honor for himself, not his country! He is off track.
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Philopoemen - The End
Philopemon is in prison, having been captured, and he asks the man if
the horsemen got off, and the man said yes, mostly, and Philopemon says"
It is well that we have not been every way unfortunate" and he drinks a
cup of poison! He died in a few minutes.
I think him has always cared for others, and wants to make sure that people were safe. However, he was often mean, too.
The End
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I think him has always cared for others, and wants to make sure that people were safe. However, he was often mean, too.
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A study of Titus and Philopoemen
Titus
Failings: Ambition and greed for honor.
Strengths: Caution, loyal to friends, merciful, generous.
Philopoemen
Failings: Obstinacy, greed for honor, and Ambition, lack of caution, often mean and cruel. (See my posts on him.)
Strengths: Valour, did many brave things, had it in him to command, in or out of office.
A bit about them: Titus was not in battle, but he did command his men well. Do you think he should get less credit for having his army ready made? I don't think so. He could have wrecked the whole thing, even though it was already there. Have you ever seen a well-run organization have a change in management, and the whole thing goes downhill? That could have happened. He still had to run it well. Just having it there did not make it easy.
Philopoemen was very brave, but he often put himself first. He was often very mean to conquered people. He did have to build his army up, and keep it going, and he had to have a lot of courage, more so than Titus, to oppose Rome. He was not nice, however, and did not act with discretion in war, but wasted away his life by acting prematurely. He prodigalled away his life, by acting with haste, not like Titus, who acted with caution, as did Fabius, yet Titus moved, and did fight many battles. So I think better of Titus. Titus was kind, and combined the good points of Fabius with the good points of a "fights lots of battles" general. If you want to learn more about Philopoemen, look at my posts about him, under the label "Plutarch." I wrote them a long time ago, so they are not the best. However, Philopoemen was very honest. He changed, however, and was very mean to the Spartans.
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Monday, May 6, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus is getting old, and he has a fault of pride. When he went to a country as an ambassador, he was not happy when he found that Hannibal was there. Hannibal was old, and was harmless. But it angered Titus to find him still alive. He filled the tunnels that Hannibal had made for escape with men, and Hannibal killed himself. The Romans were greatly angered, and got mad at Titus. They compared him to a man who had won many victories against Hannibal, and had been kind to him as well. I think that Titus should have controlled his anger, but the Romans should have reacted that way. Titus was brave, and he had done many great things, too. It was not one man who had defeated Hannibal, but many men.
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Sunday, May 5, 2013
Titus Flamininus
The Senate gave Titus the position of Censor, only given to ex-consuls. It was a very honorable position to have. He had friends all over, in different Greek States and other nations, and they gave him many honors, for he was just, kind, and honest. He was able to say things with grace and firmness at the same time.
An example: A man once got rather drunk at a supper party, and then danced in women's clothing. He then asked for Titus' help with a big important issue, and Titus answered that he was surprised that a man could do such things, and yet get drunk and silly.
Another time, when one state's ambassadors were listing the divisions of the army with long, hard words to another state's ambassadors, he said to the ambassadors that these were just people armed in different ways.
Here is one of the few blots on his career:
He had a rather nasty brother, and a man named Cato, a censor, removed this man from office, and did some things that made Titus think that Cato wanted to give him dishonor. This was not so, but Titus got mad about it, more so since this was his brother. This is one of the few blots on his career. I think he shouldn't of gotten mad, because his brother did some pretty bad things, and he probably would have done the same thing had the positions been reversed.
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An example: A man once got rather drunk at a supper party, and then danced in women's clothing. He then asked for Titus' help with a big important issue, and Titus answered that he was surprised that a man could do such things, and yet get drunk and silly.
Another time, when one state's ambassadors were listing the divisions of the army with long, hard words to another state's ambassadors, he said to the ambassadors that these were just people armed in different ways.
Here is one of the few blots on his career:
He had a rather nasty brother, and a man named Cato, a censor, removed this man from office, and did some things that made Titus think that Cato wanted to give him dishonor. This was not so, but Titus got mad about it, more so since this was his brother. This is one of the few blots on his career. I think he shouldn't of gotten mad, because his brother did some pretty bad things, and he probably would have done the same thing had the positions been reversed.
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Wednesday, May 1, 2013
Titus Flamininus
The Aetolians are trying to stir up trouble, not by themselves, but by helping Syria. Rome sent a consul and Titus as his lieutenant,to help the Greeks. The Syrians were defeated in a battle at Thermopylae, on the spot of a great battle between the Greeks and the Persians many years ago.
Titus helped them to renew their trust in Rome, and he made things right with the consul. The consul is not behaving, and he married a young girl. He is an old man.
Titus helped the gild to escape with her friends, and the consul wanted to kill all of her people. Titus stopped him, and in gratitude the people made songs in his praise,and dedicated buildings to him.
So happily ends this part of the story.
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Titus helped them to renew their trust in Rome, and he made things right with the consul. The consul is not behaving, and he married a young girl. He is an old man.
Titus helped the gild to escape with her friends, and the consul wanted to kill all of her people. Titus stopped him, and in gratitude the people made songs in his praise,and dedicated buildings to him.
So happily ends this part of the story.
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Tuesday, April 23, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus fought a war against Nabius, a Spartan tyrant. He does not capture or kill him, but makes peace. He did this when he foresaw that destroying Nabius would have ruined many, many Spartans. So he forbear, saving those people.
The Greeks had many Roman slaves, taken in the war with Hannibal(a general for the Greeks). They were dispersed about the country, but the Achaeans, paying five pounds a man, got them, and they were returned to Titus, who was very pleased. He had taken none from their owners by force, though he had opportunities to do so.
Titus had a splendid Triumph. The freed Romans marched behind him, wearing the dress of freed slaves. Titus really likes to have honor and recognition, and this could cause problems later.
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The Greeks had many Roman slaves, taken in the war with Hannibal(a general for the Greeks). They were dispersed about the country, but the Achaeans, paying five pounds a man, got them, and they were returned to Titus, who was very pleased. He had taken none from their owners by force, though he had opportunities to do so.
Titus had a splendid Triumph. The freed Romans marched behind him, wearing the dress of freed slaves. Titus really likes to have honor and recognition, and this could cause problems later.
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Tuesday, April 16, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus set about freeing the Greek cities at once, thereby keeping his promise to the Greeks. He reconciled Greek to Greek, and exhorted them to follow the laws, and to be just and friendly towards each other. That is a bit surprising coming from a Roman. In some ways, Titus was more Greek than the Greeks. (This is a Paradox.)
Rome and Titus both gained fame and honor from their kind treatment of the Greeks. It is important to Titus to have honor and to gain more. Many nations, kings, and cities asked for Rome's protection. This was often granted, and in this way the Romans had most of the world as they knew it doing homage to them.
Titus thought more of the liberation of Greece than of any of his other actions.
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Rome and Titus both gained fame and honor from their kind treatment of the Greeks. It is important to Titus to have honor and to gain more. Many nations, kings, and cities asked for Rome's protection. This was often granted, and in this way the Romans had most of the world as they knew it doing homage to them.
Titus thought more of the liberation of Greece than of any of his other actions.
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Tuesday, April 9, 2013
Titus Flamininus
The Roman Senate wanted to free all the Greek Cities except for a few important ones. Hearing this, the Aetolians spread the word, and stirred up the Greeks. They said that Rome had "unshackled the feet of Greece, to tie her by the neck." It vexed Titus also. He talked with the Senate, and finally got the Senate to un-garrison all the towns. At some of the Greek Games, a crier came and announced it to the people. They yelled so loud that birds fell from the sky! So all of Greece was set free, and in debt to Titus.
I think that Titus sees things this way: That if they help the Greeks back to where they were, back on their feet, and watch them like a big brother, it will be better for Greece and Rome.
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I think that Titus sees things this way: That if they help the Greeks back to where they were, back on their feet, and watch them like a big brother, it will be better for Greece and Rome.
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Tuesday, April 2, 2013
Titus Flamininus
They (the Romans and Greeks) killed no less than 8 thousand, and about 5,000 prisoners. The Aetolians were blamed as the main reason that Philip himself got safely off. For while the Romans were chasing people, they plundered the camp so well that there was nothing left for anyone else. There were quarrels about this and hard words too. Then the Aetolians claimed most of the credit. A lot of songs were written about the victory. Here is one:
"Naked and tombless see, O passer-by,
The 30,000 men of Thessaly,
Slain by the Aetolians and the Latin band,
That came with Titus from Italia's land:
Alas for might Macedon! that day,
Swift as a roe, king Philip fled away."
This was written by Alcaeus to mock Philip. He exaggerated the number of the dead. It really got on Titus' nerves, even more than it annoyed Philip. Titus just wrote a couple verses of his own:
"Naked and leafless see, O passer-by,
The cross that shall Alcaeus crucify."
But he paid little attention to the Aetolians, so they got mad at him Then Titus told them about how he was trying to make peace, and here they saw a chance for revenge. They told everyone how Titus was not going to go on and finish off Macedon once and for all. (The Greeks were under him, so they wanted him gone. They also wanted to kill all the Macedonians.) But then Philip asked for peace, and Titus gave him peace. But Philip had to pay 1,000 talents, and get rid of all but 10 of his ships, and send his son to Rome. It was well that Titus did this, for Hannibal (See 'Life of Fabius' for more on his battles) was planning on joining Philip, along with another warlike king. It might have been really bad for Rome had Hannibal carried out his plan, for he was a good general.
The peace conditions given to Philip are like the ones given to the Germans after W.W.1. I thought that was interesting.
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"Naked and tombless see, O passer-by,
The 30,000 men of Thessaly,
Slain by the Aetolians and the Latin band,
That came with Titus from Italia's land:
Alas for might Macedon! that day,
Swift as a roe, king Philip fled away."
This was written by Alcaeus to mock Philip. He exaggerated the number of the dead. It really got on Titus' nerves, even more than it annoyed Philip. Titus just wrote a couple verses of his own:
"Naked and leafless see, O passer-by,
The cross that shall Alcaeus crucify."
But he paid little attention to the Aetolians, so they got mad at him Then Titus told them about how he was trying to make peace, and here they saw a chance for revenge. They told everyone how Titus was not going to go on and finish off Macedon once and for all. (The Greeks were under him, so they wanted him gone. They also wanted to kill all the Macedonians.) But then Philip asked for peace, and Titus gave him peace. But Philip had to pay 1,000 talents, and get rid of all but 10 of his ships, and send his son to Rome. It was well that Titus did this, for Hannibal (See 'Life of Fabius' for more on his battles) was planning on joining Philip, along with another warlike king. It might have been really bad for Rome had Hannibal carried out his plan, for he was a good general.
The peace conditions given to Philip are like the ones given to the Germans after W.W.1. I thought that was interesting.
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Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus Flamininus brought his army to stop Philip, who would not leave the Greeks alone. They drew up in a rough place, and made speeches to their men. Titus told his men to be valiant men, because they would be acting on the stage of the world. Philip gave the usual inspiring speech, but by accident he gave it on a grave mound. He would not fight for some time, because his army was upset at this bad omen. The armies were about equal in strength. They each sent out scouts, and they met. The generals sent more men when needed. The Macedonians threw the whole weight of their phalanx against the Romans, forcing them back. But Titus Flamininus saw that in one place, the rough ground had broken up the Macedonians. So he attacked there, and the Macedonians were forced to fight man to man, weighted down by their heavy armor. For the strength of the Macedonians lay in the strength of their numbers, so when they fought man to man, they lost their strength.
I think that the Romans won by looking for a weakness in the other army, and then taking advantage of that weakness. They defeated the Macedonians, who had not been beaten in a long time, showing that strength in numbers is not all. I think they had strength in numbers because they had a very good formation that was strong altogether, but the Romans had the advantage of the ground, it being rough. This was also shown in a battle between the French and the English, I forget the name, where the English had much fewer numbers, and the advantage of the ground. The French lost terribly, and showed once again that strength in numbers is not all.
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I think that the Romans won by looking for a weakness in the other army, and then taking advantage of that weakness. They defeated the Macedonians, who had not been beaten in a long time, showing that strength in numbers is not all. I think they had strength in numbers because they had a very good formation that was strong altogether, but the Romans had the advantage of the ground, it being rough. This was also shown in a battle between the French and the English, I forget the name, where the English had much fewer numbers, and the advantage of the ground. The French lost terribly, and showed once again that strength in numbers is not all.
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Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Titus Flamininus
They marched on to Greece, and when the Greeks saw the army, they were amazed. They had been led to expect a barbarian army, led by an invader, but here was an orderly army, not a barbarian one! And all who came near Titus couldn't help but say as much of him, for he was no barbarian chief, but a man who was Greek in voice and language, and a lover of honor. They told this to all, and the Greeks started joining the Romans. Philip asked for peace, and Titus sent a message of peace to him; that if Philip would let the Greek states be ruled by their own laws, and withdraw his troops, there wold be peace. Philip did not accept, so war must happen.
Titus went on to Thebes, and the principle men of the city came out to meet him. They didn't want to not show honor and respect to Titus, but they were bound to Philip. Titus told stories, all the while marching slowly towards the city, letting his men rest. When he entered, he acted like he was an ambassador, not like he could take over the city right then. This worked, and Thebes and that state joined.
Philip sent a embassy to Rome, and Titus sent a man to ask the Senate to let him be in charge of peace or war operations. This was granted by the work of his friends, and he was still in charge of the war. He thought that if he was displaced, he would lose all his honor and recognition.
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Titus went on to Thebes, and the principle men of the city came out to meet him. They didn't want to not show honor and respect to Titus, but they were bound to Philip. Titus told stories, all the while marching slowly towards the city, letting his men rest. When he entered, he acted like he was an ambassador, not like he could take over the city right then. This worked, and Thebes and that state joined.
Philip sent a embassy to Rome, and Titus sent a man to ask the Senate to let him be in charge of peace or war operations. This was granted by the work of his friends, and he was still in charge of the war. He thought that if he was displaced, he would lose all his honor and recognition.
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Tuesday, March 5, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus Flamininus was now in charge of the army, so he laid out his campaign! He wanted to come to open battle, but the place in which they fought was quite rocky, with passes that could be well guarded. They had many skirmishes, and Titus Flamininus realized that the war would be very hard to win, indeed. But then some men who herded cows there told him about a pass that was not guarded. He took this pass and sent up some of his men, keeping the rest below. They attacked the Macedonians and pretended to flee, until they saw the smoke signal of the men on the mountain. Then they drove back the Macedonians, and they plundered the camp. But when they heard that Philip was plundering where he was, they did not molest the civilians. That made the civilians want to go with the Romans, seeing as they were kinder. It was a good idea!
Titus Flamininus saw ahead! That is why he did not let the soldiers plunder, thought they were far from the ships, and had little food. He knew he could get Allies to help him this way, and make Philip look bad.
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Titus Flamininus saw ahead! That is why he did not let the soldiers plunder, thought they were far from the ships, and had little food. He knew he could get Allies to help him this way, and make Philip look bad.
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Monday, March 4, 2013
About Plutarch
Plutarch wrote about famous Greeks, many years after they had lived. They are called 'Lives,' i.e. the Life of Nicias, The Life of Brutus, etc. Well, hope that helps!
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Friday, March 1, 2013
Titus Flamininus
Titus Flamininus was very kind, and liked by many. He had a good temper, was just, and tried his best to help the poor.
Rome was then at war, was in many different wars, in fact, and was training her young man early for wars, they learned between times the art of commanding. Flamininus, having passed through the rudiments of soldiery, received his first charge in the war against Hannibal. (For more info on Hannibal and the war, see posts on Fabius. ). He was a tribune then. He became governor, and was famous equally for both his administration of justice, as well as his military skill. he then decided that he could at least try to skip to consul, instead of going trough the offices next to that first. He wanted to jump the steps next up on the stairway of government. The leaders of the other party opposed this, but the people chose him for consul. He was not yet thirty. He fought against Philip, and was able to help his people by getting the Greeks to side with them. The Greeks would not have sided with them had not Titus or some gentle person been general.
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Rome was then at war, was in many different wars, in fact, and was training her young man early for wars, they learned between times the art of commanding. Flamininus, having passed through the rudiments of soldiery, received his first charge in the war against Hannibal. (For more info on Hannibal and the war, see posts on Fabius. ). He was a tribune then. He became governor, and was famous equally for both his administration of justice, as well as his military skill. he then decided that he could at least try to skip to consul, instead of going trough the offices next to that first. He wanted to jump the steps next up on the stairway of government. The leaders of the other party opposed this, but the people chose him for consul. He was not yet thirty. He fought against Philip, and was able to help his people by getting the Greeks to side with them. The Greeks would not have sided with them had not Titus or some gentle person been general.
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New book! Some info
I am starting Plutarch's Life of Titus Flamininus! Also, I wanted to say that M. A. A. N. stands for Much Ado About Nothing.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Nicias--The End
The End of Nicias
Nicias was captured, and all the rest of the generals as well. The Sycrusians wanted to kill all the generals, but a message was sent to them enabling them to kill themselves with the help of the guards. The rest of the Athenians were sent to work in the quarries, but some were thought to be servants, and were sold as slaves. But their orderly conduct was a great help to them, and many were set free for it, or gained to respect of the masters they staid with. Many were set free because they recited some of a famous poet's poetry, that was much in demand among the Sycrusians.
I would rather be sold as a slave, because the people in the quarries only got a pint of barley for food, and a little water. Also, I might be set free if I knew any poetry.
The End!
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Nicias was captured, and all the rest of the generals as well. The Sycrusians wanted to kill all the generals, but a message was sent to them enabling them to kill themselves with the help of the guards. The rest of the Athenians were sent to work in the quarries, but some were thought to be servants, and were sold as slaves. But their orderly conduct was a great help to them, and many were set free for it, or gained to respect of the masters they staid with. Many were set free because they recited some of a famous poet's poetry, that was much in demand among the Sycrusians.
I would rather be sold as a slave, because the people in the quarries only got a pint of barley for food, and a little water. Also, I might be set free if I knew any poetry.
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Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Nicias
The Athenians had lost the battle, and they were trying to get away. They were trapped and could not escape. They had no food, and tried to make a treaty, but were refused.They finally fought. Many were killed by the Sycrucians, and all the rest were captured. Nicias was captured. He was very sick, the sickness having gotten worse. The Sycrucians sold many of the people as slaves. The Athenians were in a sore plight.
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